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i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for our people. it's positive legislation for the state. >> it was not parts of your original aany da and it's being done in the lame duck. i suppose that's an issue that -- that the people are asking for, why wasn't it part of your original agenda and why did you wait for the lame duck? >> if you think about it, over 80% of workers don't have this issue. they aren't unionized so it applies in michigan to about 17.5% of our workforce. that's significant but most people don't have it as an issue. if you look where michigan was at,
i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for...
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or not in the union? >> i think that's something that we need to talk about. >> greta: you're resolutely opposed to it. >> i'm opposed to them jamming thethis through this this manne. if they want to have a conversation about who is in and who is out and what the rationale is, i'd like to listen. maybe i might change my mind. with them doing it in this fashion at this juncture with a sweeping new law, i'm opposed. >> greta: so you're resolutely opposed to the manner it's been done, lame duck, but you're not resolutely opposed to the law. >> i'm willing to listen to all sides of the issue. that's what our founding facts envisioned when they created the committee process and the debate and checks and balances. everyone should be offended that we were all cut out of this. >> greta: i say very tongue in cheek that you have a different procedure than in wisconsin. we're not going to see the state democrats senators hit the road like they did in wisconsin. >> unfortunately we don't have the option of shutting t
or not in the union? >> i think that's something that we need to talk about. >> greta: you're resolutely opposed to it. >> i'm opposed to them jamming thethis through this this manne. if they want to have a conversation about who is in and who is out and what the rationale is, i'd like to listen. maybe i might change my mind. with them doing it in this fashion at this juncture with a sweeping new law, i'm opposed. >> greta: so you're resolutely opposed to the manner it's...
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you decide, is this teacher's union all wet? after months of campaigning for the president, bill clinton and the president should be best of friends; rig? ed, author of "the amateur"ays his sources say they are anything but. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list atthe winter event going on now through december 31st. [ santa ] ho, , ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 e350 for $579 a month at your lal rcede deale lieu lie -- lou: well, you got to love former president bill clinton, interesting words on the fiscal cliff. in an event in sacramento, the president declared the whole standoff between president obama and the republicans as, quote, just a kabooky dance, two dogs that meet each other over a piece of meet, sniffing each other out, and moving towards a deal. with that elegance in mind,d, we welcome author of "the amateur," best selling author we have to say. friction here. that's not a helpful thing to say. i mean, he's not talking higher taxes, bu
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part, politically speaking from union dues. look, here's the issue. the state senate and the stais statehouse have both passed this. they have to pass the other ones, and then rick snyder, we expect, to sign it. one thing that's interesting, ohio, something similar happened, and you saw a ballot initiative that actually repealed the right to work legislation. that's not likely to happen here because in the state constitution you can't repeal a spending bill, ask there was an appropriation, a spending measure, attached to this legislation. so it's going to be harder to overturn it. that doesn't mean people won't protest. it dent mean it won't become a national story, as it's already becoming, but getting it repealed or at least even the process of repeeling could be a lot more difficult. >> now, the president today in michigan is still doing the public campaigning, and this is beginning to pay off. you see real negotiations taking place. what do we know happened at the white house between the president and speaker boehner this w
part, politically speaking from union dues. look, here's the issue. the state senate and the stais statehouse have both passed this. they have to pass the other ones, and then rick snyder, we expect, to sign it. one thing that's interesting, ohio, something similar happened, and you saw a ballot initiative that actually repealed the right to work legislation. that's not likely to happen here because in the state constitution you can't repeal a spending bill, ask there was an appropriation, a...
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i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fondf unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a unn. a clothes shop wherehey have to have the union and i don't think that's freedom, if you want to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: but the unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do you ke of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like their back has been against the walls and have for a number of years. in michigan, this is the way we can be competitive. liste everyone talks about the great comeback in detroit in the auto sector, that's a mirage. michigan's in trouble, detroit is in trouble and this is how they compete on the national scale, ultimately, a global scale. >> neil: dagen? >> versignificant that this is happening and by the way, this is just the right to not have toay union dues i you don't want to belong to a union first and foremost. >> neil: and you got that. >> very significant
i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fondf unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a unn. a clothes shop wherehey have to have the union and i don't think that's freedom, if you want to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: but the unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do you ke of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like...
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. >> union busting is disgusting! (laughter). >> jon: dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes that busting-disgusting if you want to win the khraoe climactic rap. you have to put effort into it. (laughter) (cheers and applause) look, you have one job at one factory, when you seize every benefit you could, yo, our palms are sweaty, knees week, arms heavy, working in a factory all day building chevys, like the volt, you plug it in, and then you win -- ecologically, because if it was an actual race you would not -- actually. you've got to dues collect for the unions oro bahts are going to come and take away our jobs or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands to work and go -- ♪ this of ha tunety comes once in a lifetime note? note yo! (cheers and applause) you know what i realized? if i perform my hoff-torah a as bad as that i would owe my relatives money. for more we go to aasif mandvi in michigan and jason jones in indiana. there's not much kpet advantage in doing somet
. >> union busting is disgusting! (laughter). >> jon: dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes that busting-disgusting if you want to win the khraoe climactic rap. you have to put effort into it. (laughter) (cheers and applause) look, you have one job at one factory, when you seize every benefit you could, yo, our palms are sweaty, knees week, arms heavy, working in a factory all day building chevys, like the volt, you plug it...
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on the union level, unions have got to start organizing the unorganized. too many years were spent just focusing on their own numbers. that's why you know this in michigan there's this weird divide between union members and non-union members. the non-union members are making less, but they don't see when the unions do well, they do well. european unions after world war ii, here is what they did differently. they decided not to just work for their own members. they wanted societal change so the reason why you have universal free healthcare throughout all of europe is because the european unions in the 40s said we don't want this just for our members, we want this for everybody. everybody has got to have -- >> jennifer: which is really the history of the u.s. labor movement was too. that's what those laws were in the 20s and 30s to provide universal 40-hour workweek and we don't have child labor laws. that's true. i would say unions have an opportunity globally especially in countries that are now growing, like china to be able to level the playing field a l
on the union level, unions have got to start organizing the unorganized. too many years were spent just focusing on their own numbers. that's why you know this in michigan there's this weird divide between union members and non-union members. the non-union members are making less, but they don't see when the unions do well, they do well. european unions after world war ii, here is what they did differently. they decided not to just work for their own members. they wanted societal change so the...
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megyn: that was part of a nearly eight minute video from the california teachers union. suggesting that the rich point a finger at everyone else when they are to blame for all the problems. but it is another part of the video that has some questioning, even labeling it as vile and vicious. trace gallagher has more from our west coast newsroom. reporter: the video begins with once upon a time and ends with happily ever after. in between, about seven minutes and 35 seconds, attacking the rich, calling them greedy money loving wires that elected all the politicians and do not pay their fair share of taxes. in fact, the only reason they are rich, says the video, is because of tax cuts and loopholes and tax evasions. the theme is that the rich are bad. they are the villains. at one point, the rich actually urinate on the poor. at one point, that is what happens. but then we go on, the video put out by the california's teacher association, he is the one that will waste the eight minute video. it claims that the rich are so used to being rich that when the government set up a s
megyn: that was part of a nearly eight minute video from the california teachers union. suggesting that the rich point a finger at everyone else when they are to blame for all the problems. but it is another part of the video that has some questioning, even labeling it as vile and vicious. trace gallagher has more from our west coast newsroom. reporter: the video begins with once upon a time and ends with happily ever after. in between, about seven minutes and 35 seconds, attacking the rich,...
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but jonas it right, a lot of tiesike detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminishednd detroit is a great example, people leaving the cityow for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell,hey mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did youolid and unfortunately it's not the right way to go, i d't think anyone wants to bail out detroit for mismanagement. >> brenda: julian, what say you. >> i think we have to define the terms, quid pro quo and bailout are unfortunate terms. i think that jas made the rit point. you have to separate long-term and short-term issues. long-term, the same way that the government reformed entitlement, the state has to reform pension programs. and many states and governments are doing that. in the short-term, however, it's another question when you're in an economically very difficult time, if the states an
but jonas it right, a lot of tiesike detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminishednd detroit is a great example, people leaving the cityow for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell,hey mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did youolid and unfortunately it's not the...
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in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is losing $30 to $40 million they'll be spending tens of millions to refill this later. >> eliot: one of the things that mystified me about the bill signed into law today why are cops and firefighters excluded. why is this good for workers? did he carve out the two unions that are friendlier to the republican party than any other? >> yeah, i mean cops and firefighters unions tend to be friendlier to the republican party. the police union i endorsed bush several times. cops and firefighters tend to be friendlier to republicans although many of them are solid democrats as well. so i think t
in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is...
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when the bill becomes law, unions will have the right to make their case. now workers will have the right to make their decision. >> can i switch gears briefly on the question of detroit city, its terrible finances, the likelihood that it's going into bankruptcy, some of the local politicians asked president obama to bail out detroit city. do you think a bail out like that's coming? >> i think we need detroit to accept responsibility. we need a healthy detroit. in michigan we want a healthy detroit. we need detroiters to accept responsibility. they are free to ask the president for more money. i can tell you there will not be more money coming from lansing. we need to get detroit fixed and move forward together. >> apparently mayor dave bing, the former basketball great and a good businessman before he was mayor says, and i will quote -- he blames the culture of victimization and entitlement for detroit's woes. i can write that large for the entire usa budget deficit but let's stick to detroit. is the mayor correct? >> i will leave mayor bing to stand for h
when the bill becomes law, unions will have the right to make their case. now workers will have the right to make their decision. >> can i switch gears briefly on the question of detroit city, its terrible finances, the likelihood that it's going into bankruptcy, some of the local politicians asked president obama to bail out detroit city. do you think a bail out like that's coming? >> i think we need detroit to accept responsibility. we need a healthy detroit. in michigan we want a...
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so, this creates an environment where people can say, they are choosing to join a union because the unions put a value proposition to make it worthwhile and if they are not providing value someone should be forced to choose so i view this as pro worker legislation. >>neil: governor, this woman's remarks went viral soon after she said them, a council woman in detroit talking about the post obama election envice president, i am sure you are familiar, but if you are not, please respond to this. >> after the election of jimmy carter, we had young and he went to washington, dc and he came back home with some bacon. young did. that is what you do. that is what you do. our people in an overwhelmingly matter supported the re-election of this president and there ought be to a quid pro quo and we ought to exercise leadership on that. not just that, but why not? >>neil: what do you thing 1/2? >>guest: it is unfortunate. that is one council woman's comments. a challenge in detroit the city council and the mayor have not been on the same page. they are running out of time. they have been in a financial
so, this creates an environment where people can say, they are choosing to join a union because the unions put a value proposition to make it worthwhile and if they are not providing value someone should be forced to choose so i view this as pro worker legislation. >>neil: governor, this woman's remarks went viral soon after she said them, a council woman in detroit talking about the post obama election envice president, i am sure you are familiar, but if you are not, please respond to...
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this is pure and simple union busting. these right to work laws have already had serious impacts across the country. wages for all workers, unionized and otherwise have decreased an average of $1,500 a year and workers are less likely to get health insurance or pensions. during the campaign any president voiced strong support the unions but as we know campaigning a very different from governing. things didn't look too promising this morning. so let's let the president speak for himself on this one. here he is in red ford, michigan late this afternoon. >> obama: what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your rights to bargain for better wages. these so-called right to work laws have everything to do with politics. >> nice work mr. president, reelection beginning to look good on you. and michigan's workers are forging ahead. tomorrow thousands of protesters are set to desecond on the capitol of lancing. two school districts have canceled classes because of these protests. today we got a preview. members of the nurse's union
this is pure and simple union busting. these right to work laws have already had serious impacts across the country. wages for all workers, unionized and otherwise have decreased an average of $1,500 a year and workers are less likely to get health insurance or pensions. during the campaign any president voiced strong support the unions but as we know campaigning a very different from governing. things didn't look too promising this morning. so let's let the president speak for himself on this...
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the law would might illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. opponents say the legislation threatens to weaken the influence of labor unions in a state that is home to the auto industry and has a long history of organized labor. during a visit to detroit yesterday where he intendeded to focus on the fiscal clivgs president obama waded head first into the union battle. >> what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages. we shouldn't be doing that. you know, these so-called right-to-work laws, that i don't have to do with economics. they have everything do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. you only have to look to michigan where workers were instrumental in reviving the auto industry to see how unions have helps build not just a stronger middle sclas but a stronger america. >> well, the legislation has already passed through the michigan senate and is expected to clear the house. michigan's republican governor rick snyder says when the bill re
the law would might illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. opponents say the legislation threatens to weaken the influence of labor unions in a state that is home to the auto industry and has a long history of organized labor. during a visit to detroit yesterday where he intendeded to focus on the fiscal clivgs president obama waded head first into the union battle. >> what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for...
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right to work does not ban unions. it makes them stronger because now the union has to be accountable to their members and cannot take them for granted. gerri: i am sure many union members agree with you. we need some control and level playing field for workers. thank you for coming on. if you get some kind of movement on that night, please let us know. we would love to report it. thank you for coming on and showing us these numbers. it's just amazing. thank you. joining me now, is jerry brown. welcome to the show. it is great to have you. we played this very controversial soundbite from this woman who said it should be quid pro quo for detroit. do you agree? >> no, i do not agree. i can look out my window and see general motors and see what happened with the bankruptcy when the federal government got involved. the cfo lost their jobs from the board of directors lost their jobs, and there are restrictions to the money coming in. so the federal government. the city of detroit knows what the problems are. the question is
right to work does not ban unions. it makes them stronger because now the union has to be accountable to their members and cannot take them for granted. gerri: i am sure many union members agree with you. we need some control and level playing field for workers. thank you for coming on. if you get some kind of movement on that night, please let us know. we would love to report it. thank you for coming on and showing us these numbers. it's just amazing. thank you. joining me now, is jerry brown....
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and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of those on the far right richard mourdock is still pointing fingers after losing the senate race in indiana. sounds like sore loser. this is "hardball" the place for politics. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. >>> back to "hardball." and now to the sideshow. a merry cliffmas from stephen colbert.
and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of...
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enforced union states down 3.4%. that is a significant statement when it comes to right-to-work states in this country. >> it sure is. the real bottom line to it is people are voting with their feet. since 1990s -- since 1990 every time we've reapportioned the united states house of representatives, the right-to-work states have gained eight to nine representatives while the forced unionism states have lost eight to nine. the difference since 1990 has been 25 seats going from the forced unionism states to the right-to-work states. people are voting with their feet. people don't want to be forced into unionism, they don't want to have a pay a union to keep their jobs. lou: and the fact of the matter is that a heritage study shows a quarter of union members would stop paying dues if they could. they're being begin thaa opportunity under legislation. as we reported, 22 states considering it this year, four of them actually got it done including now most recently, of course, the state of michigan. how powerful is this mo
enforced union states down 3.4%. that is a significant statement when it comes to right-to-work states in this country. >> it sure is. the real bottom line to it is people are voting with their feet. since 1990s -- since 1990 every time we've reapportioned the united states house of representatives, the right-to-work states have gained eight to nine representatives while the forced unionism states have lost eight to nine. the difference since 1990 has been 25 seats going from the forced...
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back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the five." thank you for watching. >> dana: on that note. >> greg: unbelievable. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. tonight, michigan, the home of the american automobile industry, state that has been dominated by big labor unions, is now a right to work state. michigan's republican governor has just signed a bill in to law ending union ability to force workers to pay dues. february they are not in the union. democrats are predicting a warning of blood in the streets. here is what the governor said moments ago about why he supported the legislation. >>
back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the...
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but you are right to point out the union connect. president obama's reelect heavily supported by municipal unions and it's the pensions promised to municipal union workers, that is what is strangling many of the states that are in such dire straight. illinois and california in particular. will quid pro quo be called in by municipal unions like it has been called in by the municipal councilmember. martha: what happens if they don't get it. what happens if there aren't bailouts. >> detroit is bankrupt. other cities have declared bankruptcy. they are gone. it's debatable whether those union pensions are in pact paid. if you are looking over the cliff, the municipal debt and the state debt cliff, you are right on the edge of serious problem for states and cities all across the country. detroit has said we are talking bailout. that's a huge question. martha: stuart, thank you. it seems like we are standing on a plateau and there are cliffs all around. in 2011, 13 cities filed for bankruptcy. that's the highest annual level we have seen in
but you are right to point out the union connect. president obama's reelect heavily supported by municipal unions and it's the pensions promised to municipal union workers, that is what is strangling many of the states that are in such dire straight. illinois and california in particular. will quid pro quo be called in by municipal unions like it has been called in by the municipal councilmember. martha: what happens if they don't get it. what happens if there aren't bailouts. >> detroit...
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can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody who supports the unions about finding a way to overturn this. they have three options and is to pursue a legal challenge to how the law was passed in the legislature. the second involves beating sick snyder, the governor's race that requires them to win both houses. it looks like a long shot that looks like the boast bankable bet to collect signatures equivalent to 8% to the total number of votes cast. that means 258,000 signatures. then they can get a referendum on this. is that the best bet for people to overturn this? >> it's sti
can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody...
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this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would they be weaker? it's because they are not showing value to the workers. this is very much about two there are two reasons to do this. the first one is to be pro-worker. this is about freedom to choose. workers should have the option if they are seeing value, they should be excited to join a union and they should join. if they see no value why should they put financial resources to do something that has no value to them. that's a big part of it. standing up for workers. the second piece and to your point specifically, it's about more and better jobs for michigan. just look at indiana that di
this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be...
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the bill strips unions of power in the state. tomorrow protesters are planning to invade the state capital in lansing. that's where we find dave spencer with an update. dave? >> state police are estimating 10,000 protesters when the sun comes up. they've closed streets out around the capitol, restricting park around here. some of the schools in metro detroit will be closing so that teachers representing the teacher union will have a chance to come down to lansing to be one of those 10,000 having their voices heard. what the right to work bill will do will essentially make it an option for an employee to join a union and still get those benefits. supporters say that will be good for michigan, bringing in business, while opponents say while it may bring in business employee wages will be brought down due to collective bargaining. this controversy started when the governor, governor rick snyder, said for a bill comes across his desk, he will sign it. that prompted the house and senate to begin their legislation, bringing out protest
the bill strips unions of power in the state. tomorrow protesters are planning to invade the state capital in lansing. that's where we find dave spencer with an update. dave? >> state police are estimating 10,000 protesters when the sun comes up. they've closed streets out around the capitol, restricting park around here. some of the schools in metro detroit will be closing so that teachers representing the teacher union will have a chance to come down to lansing to be one of those 10,000...
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the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's "the cycle" and it's monday, december 10th. >>> it's monday, fun day here at "the cycle." let's get the party started. where will it land today? fiscal cliff? huh. so much for fun. well you know what? we at "the cycle" can make it fun. look at this. the president living it up in motown last hour calling on republicans to stop being party poopers. >> i believe america only succeeds and thrives when we've got a strong and growing middle class. i want us to bring down our deficits but i want to do it in a balanced, responsible way. and i want to reward -- i want a tax code that rewards businesses and m
the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's...
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because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because they don't put in the union political fund. >> dana: 24 states have lower unemployment rate and other states are not right to work, while shouldn't michigan, at least they have a democratic process. it's passed. the governor has been thoughtful about it. people, majority of people support it. why not let them try something that would alter history? >> kimberly: why not? >> bob: why not bad handguns in countries that don't have murder. here we ban them and it -- >> greg: the funny thing is we talk about greece, but befo
because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means...
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and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of those on the far right richard mourdock is still pointing fingers after losing the senate race in indiana. sounds like sore loser. this is "hardball" the place for politics. new trident layers juicy berry + tangy tangerine is a thrilling, dual-flavored ride to mouth fun-town. but it's not like everyone is going to break into a karaoke jam session. ♪ this will literally probably never happen. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car re
and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of...
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yeah so so you're actually voting to have union representation and this is an existing union not a not a brand new one or is it a brand new one is an existing new is existing union and and. while you get to have a democracy in the workplace that's a pretty impressive thing do you think that most of the people who are out on the streets today are looking for you know just a better paycheck or that they would like to be members of unions as well. you know they also want to be represented by the union. you know because. because you know it's sometimes in workplaces you don't get to treat them correctly sometimes manager the boss my to suspect you just because you're working and if you did to stand up you'd probably get fired and that's not so it's a matter of having having a voice in the workplace and being able to to work and behave with integrity and know that you're not going to be capriciously fired it makes a lot of sense won compas thank you so much for being with us tonight. great to have you on the program to get involved in the fight for higher wages and better working conditions
yeah so so you're actually voting to have union representation and this is an existing union not a not a brand new one or is it a brand new one is an existing new is existing union and and. while you get to have a democracy in the workplace that's a pretty impressive thing do you think that most of the people who are out on the streets today are looking for you know just a better paycheck or that they would like to be members of unions as well. you know they also want to be represented by the...
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the bill has caused quite an uproar with union workers who say union rights are now at risk. ballet between labor and business could hit the auto industry especially hard. the governor says the bill promotes work equality. >>> mohammed morsi said he would not tolerate anyone trying to overthrow what he calls his legitimate government but the protestors say they'll continue. seven people are dead after violent clash this is week. >>> and historic visit by the leader of hamas to gaza tbeen e years. his party has been in control of the gaza strip for five years and he is arriving to mark the 25th anniversary of hamas' founding. >>> software mowing up john mcafee is back in jill after a brief trip to the hospital. he told the associated press he suffered chest pains but didn't believe he had a heart attack. this happened yesterday just hours after guatemalan officials rejected his bid for asylum. he was arrested for illegally entering the country on wednesday after weeks in hiding. he is a person of interest in the november killing of his american neighbor in belize. >>> a messag
the bill has caused quite an uproar with union workers who say union rights are now at risk. ballet between labor and business could hit the auto industry especially hard. the governor says the bill promotes work equality. >>> mohammed morsi said he would not tolerate anyone trying to overthrow what he calls his legitimate government but the protestors say they'll continue. seven people are dead after violent clash this is week. >>> and historic visit by the leader of hamas to...
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it allows union workers to opt out of paying union dues even if they're not in the union. stephen moore, "wall street journal." who would be next? >> there are a number of states neighbors to michigan really looking at this legislation. i'll name a few to you, bill. pennsylvania, ohio, west virgina, states like that are competing against southern states. remember a lot of jobs and a lot of manufacturing has moved from the midwest, the kind of rust belt of america to the south in part because those southern states are right-to-work. can i mention one other thing if i could, bill, about this issue that is important? bill: sure. >> there is so much misinformation what it means to be a right-to-work state. i want your viewers to know this, if you're a right-to-work state it does not ban unions, bill. simply means that workers who work for a unionized company have the right as an individual to join the union or not. it does not ban unions. bill: to be more specific, if you're not a member of a union, in michigan you're required to pay union dues. >> that is exactly right. bill:
it allows union workers to opt out of paying union dues even if they're not in the union. stephen moore, "wall street journal." who would be next? >> there are a number of states neighbors to michigan really looking at this legislation. i'll name a few to you, bill. pennsylvania, ohio, west virgina, states like that are competing against southern states. remember a lot of jobs and a lot of manufacturing has moved from the midwest, the kind of rust belt of america to the south in...
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there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it correct t. i just know that it exists because, you know, you are negotiating with the person who put in office. >> exactly. right! they go raise money for this guy, they nominate him and then they elect him. he wins by a few poign points and they want to negotiate the contract, joe, you and i are buddies. let's talk it over. so have you an inherent conflict of interest. the public prb with the public unions, look, we are borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. mon of the public unions when i wrote by book, the federal government, the pay and benefits combined of the average federal worker were about twice what the
there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it...
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that was about the relationship between employers and unions. this has nothing to do with that. right-to-work is about the relationship between the union and workers, and this is about being co-workers, giving workers the choice. if anything, this should encourage unions to be more responsive to workers in terms of saying they need to show a value proposition of why they're a great place to join. >> now to the numbers. michigan has the fifth highest percentage of unionized workers at more than 17%, but it's hardly alone attacking the right-to-work laws. 23 other states have already done the same. >>> now developing overseas, north korea has defied international warnings by firing another long-range rocket, the second such launch under new leader kim jong-un. the surprise launch happened last night after north korea indicated it was having technical problems that could take weeks to resolve. fooled us. korea state tv claims the launch was successful, delivering a "peaceful satellite" in orbit. however, the u.s. and south korea believe it was another attempt by the north koreans t
that was about the relationship between employers and unions. this has nothing to do with that. right-to-work is about the relationship between the union and workers, and this is about being co-workers, giving workers the choice. if anything, this should encourage unions to be more responsive to workers in terms of saying they need to show a value proposition of why they're a great place to join. >> now to the numbers. michigan has the fifth highest percentage of unionized workers at more...
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but the folks on the outside of unions. so we're going to fight this to the very end. and we're going to not let governor snyder get any rest until we return the working people back their rights that they had before governor snyder signed this. >> the gop's war on workers, we hear the language very similar to alec when we see michigan's proposed right to work billing mirror the word for word the detroit free press says. we know there's koch brother moneys. do you expect people around the country now to rally in michigan to possibly deal with a recall? or whatever options are available that congressman peters referred to? >> i think so. i think we've got to hold these guys accountable. this guy won't answer my phone call. he'll ignore 13,000 people at the capitol this morning. but you know whose call he will answer? the koch brothers. and that's wrong. maybe we lost this today, but this fight is not over. >> congressman peters -- congressman peters, explain to the people watching around the country what happened. a lot of pe
but the folks on the outside of unions. so we're going to fight this to the very end. and we're going to not let governor snyder get any rest until we return the working people back their rights that they had before governor snyder signed this. >> the gop's war on workers, we hear the language very similar to alec when we see michigan's proposed right to work billing mirror the word for word the detroit free press says. we know there's koch brother moneys. do you expect people around the...